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Today, the Wodcast sits down with Remi Olajoyegbe, founder, female empowerment coach, business leader, co-founder of Medicine Festival and founder of the Isumataq Collective, for a deeply personal conversation about success, transformation, grief and what it means to live and lead from a place of wholeness.
Having built a highly successful career in investment banking, Remi reflects on what she calls “the void of success”: reaching the milestones, ticking the boxes and receiving the external validation, while still experiencing a deeper yearning for something more. What happens when the language of success we&#39;ve inherited no longer reflects the life we want to live?
Together, they explore Remi&#39;s extraordinary relationship with words, from growing up between Assamese and Nigerian cultures and learning to understand “the weight of the unspoken,” to the words that have accompanied profound periods of loss, grief and transformation in her own life. Remi shares why she believes “words are spells,” and how finding new language can help us move beyond the identities, systems and expectations that once defined us.
The conversation moves through feminine and masculine polarities, leadership, jealousy, belonging, ritual, the wisdom of the body and our inner world or “interiority.” Remi reflects on why transformation cannot be forced, but instead requires spaces where we feel safe enough to soften, tell the truth and allow previously hidden parts of ourselves to emerge.
Ultimately, this is a conversation about wholeness: what becomes possible when we stop dividing ourselves into the parts that are acceptable and those that are not, turn the lens inward, and begin to remember who we really are.
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Topics include:
• The void of success
• Why “words are spells”
• The weight of the unspoken
• Grief, loss and transformation
• Belonging and the language we inherit
• Masculine and feminine polarities
• Living and leading from wholeness
• Interiority and the inner world
• Jealousy as a window into desire
• Ritual, ceremony and transformation
• Listening to the body
• Female leadership and collaboration
• When there are no words
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More from Remi &amp; the Isumataq Collective 
➟ Isumataq website: https://www.isumataqcollective.com/
➟Isumataq Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isumataqcollective/
➟ Remi’s website: https://iamremi.co.uk/ 
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More from the Wodcast:
➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/
➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830
➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel
➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/
➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/
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Join us live on Substack next Wednesday.
Mabel &amp; Ben will explore three of Remi&#39;s weight-bearing words their origins, histories and the meanings they carry, before slowing things down for the final 15 minutes with music and time to write together, inspired by the words and ideas from the conversation.
See you there ✨</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KYMDP5Q92RW0Y7Y4KEV514TT</guid><pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 04:30:00 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KYMDP5Q9JQGFVZVCZR7ZN0JT.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words</author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node"><strong>What lies in the silence between who we have learned to be and who we are becoming?</strong></p><p class="text-node"></p><p class="text-node">Today, the Wodcast sits down with <strong>Remi Olajoyegbe</strong>, founder, female empowerment coach, business leader, co-founder of Medicine Festival and founder of the Isumataq Collective, for a deeply personal conversation about success, transformation, grief and what it means to live and lead from a place of wholeness.</p><p class="text-node">Having built a highly successful career in investment banking, Remi reflects on what she calls “the void of success”: reaching the milestones, ticking the boxes and receiving the external validation, while still experiencing a deeper yearning for something more. What happens when the language of success we've inherited no longer reflects the life we want to live?</p><p class="text-node">Together, they explore Remi's extraordinary relationship with words, from growing up between Assamese and Nigerian cultures and learning to understand “the weight of the unspoken,” to the words that have accompanied profound periods of loss, grief and transformation in her own life. Remi shares why she believes “words are spells,” and how finding new language can help us move beyond the identities, systems and expectations that once defined us.</p><p class="text-node">The conversation moves through feminine and masculine polarities, leadership, jealousy, belonging, ritual, the wisdom of the body and our inner world or “interiority.” Remi reflects on why transformation cannot be forced, but instead requires spaces where we feel safe enough to soften, tell the truth and allow previously hidden parts of ourselves to emerge.</p><p class="text-node">Ultimately, this is a conversation about wholeness: what becomes possible when we stop dividing ourselves into the parts that are acceptable and those that are not, turn the lens inward, and begin to remember who we really are.</p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Topics include:</strong></p><p class="text-node">• The void of success<br>• Why “words are spells”<br>• The weight of the unspoken<br>• Grief, loss and transformation<br>• Belonging and the language we inherit<br>• Masculine and feminine polarities<br>• Living and leading from wholeness<br>• Interiority and the inner world<br>• Jealousy as a window into desire<br>• Ritual, ceremony and transformation<br>• Listening to the body<br>• Female leadership and collaboration<br>• When there are no words</p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>More from Remi &amp; the Isumataq Collective </strong></p><p class="text-node">➟ Isumataq website: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://www.isumataqcollective.com/">https://www.isumataqcollective.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟Isumataq Instagram: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://www.instagram.com/isumataqcollective/">https://www.instagram.com/isumataqcollective/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Remi’s website: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://iamremi.co.uk/">https://iamremi.co.uk/</a> </p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>More from the Wodcast:</strong></p><p class="text-node">➟ Instagram – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/">https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Apple Podcasts – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ YouTube – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel">https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Substack – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.substack.com/">https://wodcast.substack.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Website – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.co.uk/">https://wodcast.co.uk/</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Join us live on Substack next Wednesday.</strong></p><p class="text-node">Mabel &amp; Ben will explore three of Remi's weight-bearing words their origins, histories and the meanings they carry, before slowing things down for the final 15 minutes with music and time to write together, inspired by the words and ideas from the conversation.</p><p class="text-node">See you there ✨</p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>E5 - Isumataq: Where wisdom reveals itself | with Remi Olajoyegbe</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words</itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KZPCDSZSENQ3EFH7715GKF48/guest_artwork-35__1_.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>3641</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>What lies in the silence between who we have learned to be and who we are becoming?
Today, the Wodcast sits down with Remi Olajoyegbe, founder, female empowerment coach, business leader, co-founder of Medicine Festival and founder of the Isumataq Collective, for a deeply personal conversation about success, transformation, grief and what it means to live and lead from a place of wholeness.
Having built a highly successful career in investment banking, Remi reflects on what she calls “the void of success”: reaching the milestones, ticking the boxes and receiving the external validation, while still experiencing a deeper yearning for something more. What happens when the language of success we&#39;ve inherited no longer reflects the life we want to live?
Together, they explore Remi&#39;s extraordinary relationship with words, from growing up between Assamese and Nigerian cultures and learning to understand “the weight of the unspoken,” to the words that have accompanied profound periods of loss, grief and transformation in her own life. Remi shares why she believes “words are spells,” and how finding new language can help us move beyond the identities, systems and expectations that once defined us.
The conversation moves through feminine and masculine polarities, leadership, jealousy, belonging, ritual, the wisdom of the body and our inner world or “interiority.” Remi reflects on why transformation cannot be forced, but instead requires spaces where we feel safe enough to soften, tell the truth and allow previously hidden parts of ourselves to emerge.
Ultimately, this is a conversation about wholeness: what becomes possible when we stop dividing ourselves into the parts that are acceptable and those that are not, turn the lens inward, and begin to remember who we really are.
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Topics include:
• The void of success
• Why “words are spells”
• The weight of the unspoken
• Grief, loss and transformation
• Belonging and the language we inherit
• Masculine and feminine polarities
• Living and leading from wholeness
• Interiority and the inner world
• Jealousy as a window into desire
• Ritual, ceremony and transformation
• Listening to the body
• Female leadership and collaboration
• When there are no words
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More from Remi &amp; the Isumataq Collective 
➟ Isumataq website: https://www.isumataqcollective.com/
➟Isumataq Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isumataqcollective/
➟ Remi’s website: https://iamremi.co.uk/ 
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More from the Wodcast:
➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/
➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830
➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel
➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/
➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/
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Join us live on Substack next Wednesday.
Mabel &amp; Ben will explore three of Remi&#39;s weight-bearing words their origins, histories and the meanings they carry, before slowing things down for the final 15 minutes with music and time to write together, inspired by the words and ideas from the conversation.
See you there ✨</itunes:summary><podcast:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KZPCD7GFWTCV0XMR123F86YR/guest_artwork-36__2_.jpg" aspect-ratio="16/9"></podcast:image><media:thumbnail url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KZPCD7GFWTCV0XMR123F86YR/guest_artwork-36__2_.jpg"></media:thumbnail><podcast:transcript url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KZJYVXRRFYZG0CAAMSVJ75A5/wod09_-_remi_edit02__to_upload_-transcoded_transcription.json" type="application/json" language="en" rel="captions"></podcast:transcript><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="application/x-mpegURL" length="0" title="HLS Video Stream" rel="alternate" default="false"><podcast:source uri="https://episode.flightcast.com/hls/v/01KYMDP5Q9JQGFVZVCZR7ZN0JT.m3u8"></podcast:source></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>E4 - The Courage to Be Frequently Happy | with David Larbi</title><description>What does it take to become Frequently Happy? 



Today, the Wodcast sits down with David Larbi, poet, bestselling author of Frequently Happy, and one of the UK&#39;s most thoughtful voices on joy, creativity and emotional wellbeing, for a deeply reflective conversation about poetry, presence and the courage it takes to live authentically.

Together they explore why happiness begins with contentment, the relationship between creativity and self-discovery, and how words can help us better understand our emotional landscape. Along the way, they discuss burnout, boundaries, the importance of silence in a noisy world, and why doubt may be one of the most underrated qualities we possess.

Drawing on his own journey as a writer and creator, David reflects on what it means to create from a place of honesty rather than performance, why &#34;if I haven&#39;t processed it, I&#39;m not posting it,&#34; and how learning to embrace the ordinary moments of life might be the truest path to becoming frequently happy. 

This episode is an invitation to slow down, listen more deeply, to your words, your body and your inner life and to discover that perhaps happiness isn&#39;t something extraordinary after all, but something quietly waiting to be noticed.

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Topics include:





Contentment and happiness



The philosophy behind Frequently Happy



Poetry and creativity



Authenticity in the digital age



Burnout and setting boundaries



Emotional vocabulary



Curiosity and doubt



Silence in a noisy world



Presence and everyday joy



The art of paying attention

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More from the Wodcast:

➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/

➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830

➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel

➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/

➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/

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See you next Wednesday for our word reflection ‘mini-episode’ on Substack, where hosts Mabel &amp; Ben unpack David&#39;s weight-bearing words and reflect on the ideas, stories and moments that stayed with them. ✨

Substack live link :https://open.substack.com/live-stream/297151</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KT2G9FA1SP1GTS6V1KSN2N0Z</guid><pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2026 04:30:00 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KT2G9FA1TJ6K0HM2DPS375BR.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words</author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node"><strong>What does it take to become Frequently Happy? </strong></p><p class="text-node"></p><p class="text-node">Today, the Wodcast sits down with <strong>David Larbi</strong>, poet, bestselling author of <em>Frequently Happy</em>, and one of the UK's most thoughtful voices on joy, creativity and emotional wellbeing, for a deeply reflective conversation about poetry, presence and the courage it takes to live authentically.</p><p class="text-node">Together they explore why happiness begins with contentment, the relationship between creativity and self-discovery, and how words can help us better understand our emotional landscape. Along the way, they discuss burnout, boundaries, the importance of silence in a noisy world, and why doubt may be one of the most underrated qualities we possess.</p><p class="text-node">Drawing on his own journey as a writer and creator, David reflects on what it means to create from a place of honesty rather than performance, why "if I haven't processed it, I'm not posting it," and how learning to embrace the ordinary moments of life might be the truest path to becoming <em>frequently happy</em>. </p><p class="text-node">This episode is an invitation to slow down, listen more deeply, to your words, your body and your inner life and to discover that perhaps happiness isn't something extraordinary after all, but something quietly waiting to be noticed.</p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Topics include:</strong></p><ul class="list-node"><li class="list-item-node">Contentment and happiness</li><li class="list-item-node">The philosophy behind <em>Frequently Happy</em></li><li class="list-item-node">Poetry and creativity</li><li class="list-item-node">Authenticity in the digital age</li><li class="list-item-node">Burnout and setting boundaries</li><li class="list-item-node">Emotional vocabulary</li><li class="list-item-node">Curiosity and doubt</li><li class="list-item-node">Silence in a noisy world</li><li class="list-item-node">Presence and everyday joy</li><li class="list-item-node">The art of paying attention</li></ul><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>More from the Wodcast:</strong></p><p class="text-node">➟ Instagram – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/">https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Apple Podcasts – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ YouTube – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel">https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Substack – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.substack.com/">https://wodcast.substack.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Website – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.co.uk/">https://wodcast.co.uk/</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>See you next Wednesday for our word reflection ‘mini-episode’ on Substack, where hosts Mabel &amp; Ben unpack David's weight-bearing words and reflect on the ideas, stories and moments that stayed with them. ✨</strong></p><p class="text-node">Substack live link :<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://open.substack.com/live-stream/297151">https://open.substack.com/live-stream/297151</a></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>E4 - The Courage to Be Frequently Happy | with David Larbi</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words</itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KYMBVHTDN2EDXWEV4DZ7T8Z0/guest_artwork-30.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>3604</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>What does it take to become Frequently Happy? 



Today, the Wodcast sits down with David Larbi, poet, bestselling author of Frequently Happy, and one of the UK&#39;s most thoughtful voices on joy, creativity and emotional wellbeing, for a deeply reflective conversation about poetry, presence and the courage it takes to live authentically.

Together they explore why happiness begins with contentment, the relationship between creativity and self-discovery, and how words can help us better understand our emotional landscape. Along the way, they discuss burnout, boundaries, the importance of silence in a noisy world, and why doubt may be one of the most underrated qualities we possess.

Drawing on his own journey as a writer and creator, David reflects on what it means to create from a place of honesty rather than performance, why &#34;if I haven&#39;t processed it, I&#39;m not posting it,&#34; and how learning to embrace the ordinary moments of life might be the truest path to becoming frequently happy. 

This episode is an invitation to slow down, listen more deeply, to your words, your body and your inner life and to discover that perhaps happiness isn&#39;t something extraordinary after all, but something quietly waiting to be noticed.

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Topics include:





Contentment and happiness



The philosophy behind Frequently Happy



Poetry and creativity



Authenticity in the digital age



Burnout and setting boundaries



Emotional vocabulary



Curiosity and doubt



Silence in a noisy world



Presence and everyday joy



The art of paying attention

─────

More from the Wodcast:

➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/

➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830

➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel

➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/

➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/

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See you next Wednesday for our word reflection ‘mini-episode’ on Substack, where hosts Mabel &amp; Ben unpack David&#39;s weight-bearing words and reflect on the ideas, stories and moments that stayed with them. ✨

Substack live link :https://open.substack.com/live-stream/297151</itunes:summary><podcast:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KYMDGNXFE73Q3A6W0WTP8HZN/guest_artwork-31.jpg" aspect-ratio="16/9"></podcast:image><media:thumbnail url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KYMDGNXFE73Q3A6W0WTP8HZN/guest_artwork-31.jpg"></media:thumbnail><podcast:transcript url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KYHNHR18F8WSPH6YY262QKC1/wod06_david_edit02__to_upload_-transcoded_transcription.json" type="application/json" language="en" rel="captions"></podcast:transcript><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="application/x-mpegURL" length="0" title="HLS Video Stream" rel="alternate" default="false"><podcast:source uri="https://episode.flightcast.com/hls/v/01KT2G9FA1TJ6K0HM2DPS375BR.m3u8"></podcast:source></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>E3 -  Can You Make Empathy Illegal?  | with Professor David Nutt</title><description>What happens when language becomes more powerful than evidence?
Today, the Wodcast sits down with Professor David Nutt, one of the world&#39;s leading neuropsychopharmacologist, psychiatrists and consciousness researchers, for a thought-provoking exploration of language, consciousness and the extraordinary power of words to shape how we think, feel and act.
Together they discuss the origins of the word psychedelic, why MDMA was originally called empathy, how language has influenced public perception and policy, and what happens when words become more powerful than evidence. Along the way, they explore consciousness, curiosity, the role of myth and symbolism, and the profound relationship between science, storytelling and the human experience.
Drawing on decades of pioneering research into the brain, consciousness and psychedelic medicine, Professor Nutt reflects on the importance of questioning inherited narratives, remaining open to new evidence, and approaching some of society&#39;s most controversial conversations with both scientific rigour and deep compassion.
This episode is an invitation to look beyond labels, to think more critically about the words we use, and to discover how language can shape not only our understanding of the world, but our capacity to heal within it.
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Topics include:
The meaning of psychedelic (&#34;mind manifesting&#34;)
Why MDMA was originally called empathy
Consciousness and the human mind
Language, perception and public policy
Psychedelic research and mental health
Science, evidence and curiosity
Myth, symbolism and storytelling
The power of words to shape society
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Continue the conversation:
Learn more about the work Professor David Nutt discusses in this episode:
Psychedelic Action Task Force: https://www.psychedelicaction.org/
Drug Science Uk: https://www.drugscience.org.uk/
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More from the Wodcast:
➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/
➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830
➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel
➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/
➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/
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See you next Wednesday 22nd July for our Substack live, where hosts Mabel &amp; Ben unpack David&#39;s weight-bearing words and reflect on the ideas, stories and moments that stayed with them. 7pm BST. 
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This episode discusses psychedelics from scientific, cultural and historical perspectives. It is intended for educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis or guidance on psychedelic use.</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KT2G7K7ZFFD33YP3ZFR5B38C</guid><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 04:30:00 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KT2G7K7Z4V3TY23FGN8C1335.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words</author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node"><strong>What happens when language becomes more powerful than evidence?</strong></p><p class="text-node">Today, the Wodcast sits down with <strong>Professor David Nutt</strong>, one of the world's leading neuropsychopharmacologist, psychiatrists and consciousness researchers, for a thought-provoking exploration of language, consciousness and the extraordinary power of words to shape how we think, feel and act.</p><p class="text-node">Together they discuss the origins of the word <em>psychedelic</em>, why MDMA was originally called empathy, how language has influenced public perception and policy, and what happens when words become more powerful than evidence. Along the way, they explore consciousness, curiosity, the role of myth and symbolism, and the profound relationship between science, storytelling and the human experience.</p><p class="text-node">Drawing on decades of pioneering research into the brain, consciousness and psychedelic medicine, Professor Nutt reflects on the importance of questioning inherited narratives, remaining open to new evidence, and approaching some of society's most controversial conversations with both scientific rigour and deep compassion.</p><p class="text-node">This episode is an invitation to look beyond labels, to think more critically about the words we use, and to discover how language can shape not only our understanding of the world, but our capacity to heal within it.</p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Topics include:</strong></p><ul class="list-node"><li class="list-item-node">The meaning of <em>psychedelic</em> ("mind manifesting")</li><li class="list-item-node">Why MDMA was originally called <em>empathy</em></li><li class="list-item-node">Consciousness and the human mind</li><li class="list-item-node">Language, perception and public policy</li><li class="list-item-node">Psychedelic research and mental health</li><li class="list-item-node">Science, evidence and curiosity</li><li class="list-item-node">Myth, symbolism and storytelling</li><li class="list-item-node">The power of words to shape society</li></ul><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Continue the conversation:</strong></p><p class="text-node">Learn more about the work Professor David Nutt discusses in this episode:</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Psychedelic Action Task Force:  </strong><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://www.psychedelicaction.org/">https://www.psychedelicaction.org/</a></p><p class="text-node"><strong>Drug Science Uk: </strong><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://www.drugscience.org.uk/">https://www.drugscience.org.uk/</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Thank you to our sponsor:</strong></p><p class="text-node">Nirvana Brewery, Alcohol free beer</p><p class="text-node"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://nirvanabrewery.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqdkmge-KT4B2P_OARNleOIPh4S7p5J8QryCyM9mj2CcpHrzZun">https://nirvanabrewery.com</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>More from the Wodcast:</strong></p><p class="text-node">➟ Instagram – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/">https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Apple Podcasts – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ YouTube – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel">https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Substack – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.substack.com/">https://wodcast.substack.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Website – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.co.uk/">https://wodcast.co.uk/</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>See you next Wednesday 22nd July for our Substack live,</strong> where hosts Mabel &amp; Ben unpack David's weight-bearing words and reflect on the ideas, stories and moments that stayed with them. 7pm BST.  </p><p class="text-node"><strong>Save the link: </strong><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://open.substack.com/live-stream/272659?utm_source=activity_item_share">https://open.substack.com/live-stream/272659?utm_source=activity_item_share</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><em>This episode discusses psychedelics from scientific, cultural and historical perspectives. It is intended for educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis or guidance on psychedelic use.</em></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>E3 -  Can You Make Empathy Illegal?  | with Professor David Nutt</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words</itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KX3FTFCDMQ8A27E8XC9WSRK8/guest_artwork-7.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>4225</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>What happens when language becomes more powerful than evidence?
Today, the Wodcast sits down with Professor David Nutt, one of the world&#39;s leading neuropsychopharmacologist, psychiatrists and consciousness researchers, for a thought-provoking exploration of language, consciousness and the extraordinary power of words to shape how we think, feel and act.
Together they discuss the origins of the word psychedelic, why MDMA was originally called empathy, how language has influenced public perception and policy, and what happens when words become more powerful than evidence. Along the way, they explore consciousness, curiosity, the role of myth and symbolism, and the profound relationship between science, storytelling and the human experience.
Drawing on decades of pioneering research into the brain, consciousness and psychedelic medicine, Professor Nutt reflects on the importance of questioning inherited narratives, remaining open to new evidence, and approaching some of society&#39;s most controversial conversations with both scientific rigour and deep compassion.
This episode is an invitation to look beyond labels, to think more critically about the words we use, and to discover how language can shape not only our understanding of the world, but our capacity to heal within it.
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Topics include:
The meaning of psychedelic (&#34;mind manifesting&#34;)
Why MDMA was originally called empathy
Consciousness and the human mind
Language, perception and public policy
Psychedelic research and mental health
Science, evidence and curiosity
Myth, symbolism and storytelling
The power of words to shape society
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Continue the conversation:
Learn more about the work Professor David Nutt discusses in this episode:
Psychedelic Action Task Force: https://www.psychedelicaction.org/
Drug Science Uk: https://www.drugscience.org.uk/
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Thank you to our sponsor:
Nirvana Brewery, Alcohol free beer
https://nirvanabrewery.com
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➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/
➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/
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See you next Wednesday 22nd July for our Substack live, where hosts Mabel &amp; Ben unpack David&#39;s weight-bearing words and reflect on the ideas, stories and moments that stayed with them. 7pm BST. 
Save the link: https://open.substack.com/live-stream/272659?utm_source=activity_item_share
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This episode discusses psychedelics from scientific, cultural and historical perspectives. It is intended for educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis or guidance on psychedelic use.</itunes:summary><podcast:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KX3FRTJ77814YM3JKFPZ260Q/guest_artwork-9.png" aspect-ratio="16/9"></podcast:image><media:thumbnail url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KX3FRTJ77814YM3JKFPZ260Q/guest_artwork-9.png"></media:thumbnail><podcast:transcript url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KXDQFVPB9ZX3VWGQZC1JRPE6/wod05_-_nutt_edit02__to_upload_-transcoded_transcription.json" type="application/json" language="en" rel="captions"></podcast:transcript><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="application/x-mpegURL" length="0" title="HLS Video Stream" rel="alternate" default="false"><podcast:source uri="https://episode.flightcast.com/hls/v/01KT2G7K7Z4V3TY23FGN8C1335.m3u8"></podcast:source></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>E2 - Why Romance Needs to Come Back | with Hak Baker</title><description>What if romance wasn&#39;t just about falling in love?
In this conversation of the Wodcast, musician, songwriter and poet Hak Baker joins Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans for a wide-ranging exploration of romance, brotherhood, community and the courage it takes to change.
Together they discuss the forgotten meaning of romance, why transformation is rarely a solitary act, and the idea of slaying the dragon within - the lifelong battle to confront our fears, ego and destructive patterns. Through stories of growing up in East London, finding his voice through music, and building communities rooted in care, Hak reflects on how real change begins not only within ourselves, but in the people who walk alongside us.
In a world that often celebrates independence above all else, Hak offers a different vision: one where friendship, creativity and shared responsibility become the foundations for a more hopeful future.
This episode is an invitation to rediscover romance, not as an ideal, but as a way of living, creating and changing together.
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Topics include:
The forgotten meaning of romance
Brotherhood and community
Slaying the dragon within
Personal and collective transformation
Music, creativity and storytelling
Growing up in East London
Friendship, belonging and resilience
The power of human connection
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Thank you to our sponsor:
Trunk Clothiers
https://www.trunkclothiers.com/
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More from the Wodcast:
➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/
➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830
➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB
➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/
➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/
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Next Wednesday at 7pm GMT Benjamin and Mabel will go live on Substack for 30 minutes to reflect on the episode, and share some writing prompts using Haks ‘weight- baring’ words. Join them there, to share your comments, thoughts and connect with other listeners.</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KT2G3XGC6HCWC3TKX7MJJ2VN</guid><pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 04:30:00 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KT2G3XGCW31EA33HKTP363AY.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words</author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node"><strong>What if romance wasn't just about falling in love?</strong></p><p class="text-node">In this conversation of the Wodcast, musician, songwriter and poet Hak Baker joins Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans for a wide-ranging exploration of romance, brotherhood, community and the courage it takes to change.</p><p class="text-node">Together they discuss the forgotten meaning of romance, why transformation is rarely a solitary act, and the idea of slaying the dragon within - the lifelong battle to confront our fears, ego and destructive patterns. Through stories of growing up in East London, finding his voice through music, and building communities rooted in care, Hak reflects on how real change begins not only within ourselves, but in the people who walk alongside us.</p><p class="text-node">In a world that often celebrates independence above all else, Hak offers a different vision: one where friendship, creativity and shared responsibility become the foundations for a more hopeful future.</p><p class="text-node">This episode is an invitation to rediscover romance, not as an ideal, but as a way of living, creating and changing together.</p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Topics include:</strong></p><ul class="list-node"><li class="list-item-node">The forgotten meaning of romance</li><li class="list-item-node">Brotherhood and community</li><li class="list-item-node">Slaying the dragon within</li><li class="list-item-node">Personal and collective transformation</li><li class="list-item-node">Music, creativity and storytelling</li><li class="list-item-node">Growing up in East London</li><li class="list-item-node">Friendship, belonging and resilience</li><li class="list-item-node">The power of human connection</li></ul><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Thank you to our sponsor:</strong></p><p class="text-node">Trunk Clothiers</p><p class="text-node"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://www.trunkclothiers.com/">https://www.trunkclothiers.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>More from the Wodcast:</strong></p><p class="text-node">➟ Instagram – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/">https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Apple Podcasts – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ YouTube – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB">https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Substack – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.substack.com/">https://wodcast.substack.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Website – <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="link" href="https://wodcast.co.uk/">https://wodcast.co.uk/</a></p><p class="text-node">─────</p><p class="text-node">Next <strong>Wednesday at 7pm GMT Benjamin and Mabel will go live on Substack for 30 minutes</strong> to reflect on the episode, and share some writing prompts using Haks ‘weight- baring’ words.  Join them there, to share your comments, thoughts and connect with other listeners. </p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>E2 - Why Romance Needs to Come Back | with Hak Baker</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words</itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KWCPCZDTAHYWG2B049T7NBXZ/guest_artworkhak.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>4345</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>What if romance wasn&#39;t just about falling in love?
In this conversation of the Wodcast, musician, songwriter and poet Hak Baker joins Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans for a wide-ranging exploration of romance, brotherhood, community and the courage it takes to change.
Together they discuss the forgotten meaning of romance, why transformation is rarely a solitary act, and the idea of slaying the dragon within - the lifelong battle to confront our fears, ego and destructive patterns. Through stories of growing up in East London, finding his voice through music, and building communities rooted in care, Hak reflects on how real change begins not only within ourselves, but in the people who walk alongside us.
In a world that often celebrates independence above all else, Hak offers a different vision: one where friendship, creativity and shared responsibility become the foundations for a more hopeful future.
This episode is an invitation to rediscover romance, not as an ideal, but as a way of living, creating and changing together.
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Topics include:
The forgotten meaning of romance
Brotherhood and community
Slaying the dragon within
Personal and collective transformation
Music, creativity and storytelling
Growing up in East London
Friendship, belonging and resilience
The power of human connection
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Thank you to our sponsor:
Trunk Clothiers
https://www.trunkclothiers.com/
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More from the Wodcast:
➟ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/
➟ Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830
➟ YouTube – https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB
➟ Substack – https://wodcast.substack.com/
➟ Website – https://wodcast.co.uk/
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Next Wednesday at 7pm GMT Benjamin and Mabel will go live on Substack for 30 minutes to reflect on the episode, and share some writing prompts using Haks ‘weight- baring’ words. Join them there, to share your comments, thoughts and connect with other listeners.</itunes:summary><podcast:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KWCPCHAPNCTGSNBEZZTBH6Y7/guest_artwork-5.jpg" aspect-ratio="16/9"></podcast:image><media:thumbnail url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KWCPCHAPNCTGSNBEZZTBH6Y7/guest_artwork-5.jpg"></media:thumbnail><podcast:transcript url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KWCAH8CE5C27PP6F798B8F0V/wod04_-_hak_edit03__to_upload_-transcoded_transcription.json" type="application/json" language="en" rel="captions"></podcast:transcript><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="application/x-mpegURL" length="0" title="HLS Video Stream" rel="alternate" default="false"><podcast:source uri="https://episode.flightcast.com/hls/v/01KT2G3XGCW31EA33HKTP363AY.m3u8"></podcast:source></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>E1 - When Faith and Doubt Hold Hands | with Elif Shafak</title><description>What happens when faith and doubt learn to dance together?

In this opening conversation of the Wodcast, bestselling novelist Elif Shafak joins Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans for a wide-ranging exploration of language, love, storytelling and the search for wisdom in a noisy world.

Together they discuss the ancient meanings hidden inside words, why different cultures understand love in different ways, the forgotten goddess of writing, the importance of oral storytelling, and what Elif calls &#34;inner democracy&#34; the practice of making space for the many voices within ourselves.

Drawing on her novels, her spiritual curiosity, and her lifelong relationship with stories, Elif reflects on the tension between certainty and wonder, information and wisdom, roots and belonging, and why slowing down may be one of the most radical acts of our time.

This episode is an invitation to listen more deeply: to language, to each other, and to the stories that shape who we become.
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Topics include:
• Faith and doubt
• The many meanings of love
• Language and identity
• Storytelling and oral tradition
• Inner democracy
• Wisdom in the digital age
• Women, memory and forgotten histories
• Nature, listening, and belonging

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Thank you to our sponsors:

Summerour Architects

https://summerourarchitects.com/

Trunk Clothiers

https://www.trunkclothiers.com/

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More from the Wodcast:

➟ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/

➟ Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830

➟ Youtube - https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB

➟ Substack - https://wodcast.substack.com/

➟Website https://wodcast.co.uk/

 ─────</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KT1PE9SV30S00RJVJXWQ64HE</guid><pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 19:00:00 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KT1PE9SV18D9E2VY60PNX9A3.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words</author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node"><strong>What happens when faith and doubt learn to dance together?</strong></p><p class="text-node">In this opening conversation of the Wodcast, bestselling novelist Elif Shafak joins Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans for a wide-ranging exploration of language, love, storytelling and the search for wisdom in a noisy world.</p><p class="text-node">Together they discuss the ancient meanings hidden inside words, why different cultures understand love in different ways, the forgotten goddess of writing, the importance of oral storytelling, and what Elif calls "inner democracy" the practice of making space for the many voices within ourselves.</p><p class="text-node">Drawing on her novels, her spiritual curiosity, and her lifelong relationship with stories, Elif reflects on the tension between certainty and wonder, information and wisdom, roots and belonging, and why slowing down may be one of the most radical acts of our time.</p><p class="text-node">This episode is an invitation to listen more deeply: to language, to each other, and to the stories that shape who we become.<br>&nbsp;─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Topics include:</strong><br>• Faith and doubt<br>• The many meanings of love<br>• Language and identity<br>• Storytelling and oral tradition<br>• Inner democracy<br>• Wisdom in the digital age<br>• Women, memory and forgotten histories<br>• Nature, listening, and belonging</p><p class="text-node">&nbsp;─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>Thank you to our sponsors:</strong></p><p class="text-node">Summerour Architects</p><p class="text-node"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://summerourarchitects.com/">https://summerourarchitects.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">Trunk Clothiers</p><p class="text-node"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://www.trunkclothiers.com/">https://www.trunkclothiers.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">&nbsp;─────</p><p class="text-node"><strong>More from the Wodcast:</strong></p><p class="text-node">➟ Instagram - <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/">https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Apple Podcasts - <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Youtube - <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB">https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB</a></p><p class="text-node">➟ Substack - <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://wodcast.substack.com/">https://wodcast.substack.com/</a></p><p class="text-node">➟Website <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://wodcast.co.uk/">https://wodcast.co.uk/</a></p><p class="text-node">&nbsp;─────</p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>E1 - When Faith and Doubt Hold Hands | with Elif Shafak</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words</itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KV3FRBF342M2JB6R6SW72VVD/guest_artwork-1.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>5101</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>What happens when faith and doubt learn to dance together?

In this opening conversation of the Wodcast, bestselling novelist Elif Shafak joins Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans for a wide-ranging exploration of language, love, storytelling and the search for wisdom in a noisy world.

Together they discuss the ancient meanings hidden inside words, why different cultures understand love in different ways, the forgotten goddess of writing, the importance of oral storytelling, and what Elif calls &#34;inner democracy&#34; the practice of making space for the many voices within ourselves.

Drawing on her novels, her spiritual curiosity, and her lifelong relationship with stories, Elif reflects on the tension between certainty and wonder, information and wisdom, roots and belonging, and why slowing down may be one of the most radical acts of our time.

This episode is an invitation to listen more deeply: to language, to each other, and to the stories that shape who we become.
 ─────

Topics include:
• Faith and doubt
• The many meanings of love
• Language and identity
• Storytelling and oral tradition
• Inner democracy
• Wisdom in the digital age
• Women, memory and forgotten histories
• Nature, listening, and belonging

 ─────

Thank you to our sponsors:

Summerour Architects

https://summerourarchitects.com/

Trunk Clothiers

https://www.trunkclothiers.com/

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More from the Wodcast:

➟ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/wod.cast/

➟ Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wodcast/id1896893830

➟ Youtube - https://youtube.com/@wodcast_channel?si=sQbEXy6-mO6lOLvB

➟ Substack - https://wodcast.substack.com/

➟Website https://wodcast.co.uk/

 ─────</itunes:summary><podcast:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KV902HG6EQEKYWC2FQVBPGNP/guest_artwork-2__3_.png" aspect-ratio="16/9"></podcast:image><media:thumbnail url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KV902HG6EQEKYWC2FQVBPGNP/guest_artwork-2__3_.png"></media:thumbnail><podcast:person role="Host" group="Hosts">Benjamin Aston</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Host" group="Hosts">Mabel Evans</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Editor" group="Crew">Jahaan Noble</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Associate Producer" group="Crew">Maria Paz Noyen</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Cinematographer" group="Crew">Arushi Chugh</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Sound Recordist" group="Crew">Amias Hanley</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Sound Mixer" group="Crew">Sam Mason</podcast:person><podcast:person role="Production Assistant" group="Cew">Maddie Coulston</podcast:person><podcast:transcript url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KV8C39R6MMWGV68CCSYBE7Z6/wod03_-_elif_shafak_edit03__to_upload_-transcoded_transcription.json" type="application/json" language="en" rel="captions"></podcast:transcript><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="application/x-mpegURL" length="0" title="HLS Video Stream" rel="alternate" default="false"><podcast:source uri="https://episode.flightcast.com/hls/v/01KT1PE9SV18D9E2VY60PNX9A3.m3u8"></podcast:source></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Season One with Stephen Fry, Elif Shafak &amp; More</title><description>In Season One of the Wodcast, we sit down with novelist Elif Shafak, musician Hak Baker, Professor David Nutt, writer David Larbi, founder and coach Remi Olayjoyegbe, musician Nick Mulvey, filmmaker Waad Al-Kateab, lyricist Tim Rice, and writer, actor, and broadcaster Stephen Fry.
Across nine conversations, we explore the words that have shaped their lives, the language that has influenced their thinking, and the stories they carry with them.</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KTYBKSR5MNWFWWK62S78XEP6</guid><pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 17:18:58 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KTYBKSR5Y62VGTE25VZ54KF5.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words </author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node">In Season One of the Wodcast, we sit down with novelist Elif Shafak, musician Hak Baker, Professor David Nutt, writer David Larbi, founder and coach Remi Olayjoyegbe, musician Nick Mulvey, filmmaker Waad Al-Kateab, lyricist Tim Rice, and writer, actor, and broadcaster Stephen Fry.</p><p class="text-node">Across nine conversations, we explore the words that have shaped their lives, the language that has influenced their thinking, and the stories they carry with them.</p><p class="text-node"></p><p class="text-node"></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>Season One with Stephen Fry, Elif Shafak &amp; More</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words </itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KTYC6KCY3KYZDMWN1F7QH9MT/trailercoverart.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>trailer</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>In Season One of the Wodcast, we sit down with novelist Elif Shafak, musician Hak Baker, Professor David Nutt, writer David Larbi, founder and coach Remi Olayjoyegbe, musician Nick Mulvey, filmmaker Waad Al-Kateab, lyricist Tim Rice, and writer, actor, and broadcaster Stephen Fry.
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The Wodcast is a podcast exploring the words that shape our lives, cultures, relationships, and imagination.
Hosted by Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans, each episode unfolds into conversations, stories, ideas, and perspectives from writers, thinkers, artists, and cultural voices.
From love and belonging to courage, grief, joy, identity, and everything in between, the Wodcast invites you to slow down and look more closely at the language that shapes how we see ourselves and one another.</description><guid isPermaLink="false">flightcast:01KTF85T22T8YNHWCNQF07T2DE</guid><pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2026 20:13:00 -0000</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episode.flightcast.com/01KTF85T22J1YTYV4TZSZ2ZQKC.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure><author>Into the Words</author><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="text-node"><strong>Welcome to the Wodcast where every word carries a world inside it.</strong></p><p class="text-node">The Wodcast is a podcast exploring the words that shape our lives, cultures, relationships, and imagination.</p><p class="text-node">Hosted by Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans, each episode unfolds into conversations, stories, ideas, and perspectives from writers, thinkers, artists, and cultural voices.</p><p class="text-node">From love and belonging to courage, grief, joy, identity, and everything in between, the Wodcast invites you to slow down and look more closely at the language that shapes how we see ourselves and one another.</p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:title>Welcome to the Wodcast with  Mabel Evans &amp; Benjamin Aston</itunes:title><itunes:author>Into the Words</itunes:author><itunes:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KTF8W5WPS6T69KVA1QAV3DWS/trailercoverart.jpg"></itunes:image><itunes:episodeType>trailer</itunes:episodeType><itunes:duration>35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:summary>Welcome to the Wodcast where every word carries a world inside it.
The Wodcast is a podcast exploring the words that shape our lives, cultures, relationships, and imagination.
Hosted by Benjamin Aston and Mabel Evans, each episode unfolds into conversations, stories, ideas, and perspectives from writers, thinkers, artists, and cultural voices.
From love and belonging to courage, grief, joy, identity, and everything in between, the Wodcast invites you to slow down and look more closely at the language that shapes how we see ourselves and one another.</itunes:summary><podcast:image href="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KTYJQ4W2Q2PQE431ZEFBET1J/thumbnails-2__1_.jpg" aspect-ratio="16/9"></podcast:image><media:thumbnail url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KTYJQ4W2Q2PQE431ZEFBET1J/thumbnails-2__1_.jpg"></media:thumbnail><podcast:transcript url="https://files.flightcast.com/workspaces/cll4t3akmjdurfpu8xtanim9/01KTF8G01HZK0R1RXQNJGT5JXF/wod_trailer_1_v02_hor-transcoded_transcription.json" type="application/json" language="en" rel="captions"></podcast:transcript><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="application/x-mpegURL" length="0" title="HLS Video Stream" rel="alternate" default="false"><podcast:source uri="https://episode.flightcast.com/hls/v/01KTF85T22J1YTYV4TZSZ2ZQKC.m3u8"></podcast:source></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item></channel></rss>